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Old 07-10-15, 22:10
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Further to my earlier Thread on SmartPhones I have been looking around Cash Converters ,CEX and also Game (and others) looking at their 2nd hand stock and its mostly graded A & B the latter has some good looking bargains priced @ between 60 to 75 pounds
So what Can I expect for that price ? are they complete, have an instruction leaflet,SIMM card present?..So long as it works buttons depress and the screen is legible has a charge cable/plug? More than likely I'll opt for the 16 GB memory
or is that too much to expect? And can we add more memory?
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You need to look at their websites for a complete definition.

Grade B I think is usually stuff that's a little damaged cosmetically, but still functions normally.

That said I doubt the SIM (card that allows you to phone people) will be there, but there might be (albeit probably very small) an SD (card for storage) card. An SD card will let you store extra files, but not apps.

Smartphones are mini computers, so you also need to take into consideration the RAM and processor, along with how old the phone is. The latter can affect how many more updates it will receive. For Android there's a quick revision history here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_version_history, for iOS (Apple) here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IOS_version_history.

[There's also various mobile Windows versions and Blackberry OS versions, but these have more complex histories.]

If you want to use it for some photography, then check the camera spec.

If you want free internet, then you need to get one with WiFi.
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Old 07-10-15, 23:13
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Thanks for the explanation, not too bothered about the phone side so long as I can use it as a Tool/ camera and connect to Wi Fi (Hot spots) do GPS? that'll do for my needs and its Intact functional
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Old 07-10-15, 23:19
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Bed - said it once ... is it a size thing that's latching you to a phone (no need to phone) ... or if as you say you want an android device.
A tablet is going to be far far cheaper ... and actually more powerful - with better storage

Tesco's huddle got straight 5 star reviews. ... 99.99 new ... if you have coupons <50.
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Old 08-10-15, 09:29
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I would be very careful buying a second hand tablet or phone.

It's a question similar to how long is a piece of string.

Firstly somewhere like cash converters obviously sell second hand stuff, so if they are grading the stuff they sell even Grade A still has an unknown usage. It just means it still looks pretty new or is a newish model, Grade B means you can expect it to look like it's had good usage or is an out of date model.

Eitherway you can't tell for sure you just pay yer money and take a chance.

The main issue for me is the battery. For example my wife has a phone which still looks like it just stepped out of the box, but it lives in a purpose made soft lined pocket in which ever bag she is using. But the battery is on borrowed time by now it must be past it's life span but still appears to accept a full charge. Replacement batteries are now few and far between and even if they were plentiful the life of a replacement would also be compromised as Li-ion batteries start to expire from their production date. In other words their usuable life is expiring while sat on the shelf doing nothing.

The other issue with second hand tablets as opposed to phones is that most have batteries that are hard wired to the MoBo and replacement is something of a specialised task and many are intentionally built as a sealed unrepairable unit.

I've spent a life time poking around such stuff but I would still tackle replacing a tablet battery knowing there was a chance I'd knacker something either on the route in or on the way out.

On'th other hand you may pick up a bargain and never have an issue. It seems cash converters do go from strength to strength so maybe there are more happy buyers than unhappy ones. Or are there just people who return and sell stuff back at a loss Yer pay yer money and takes yer choice.

As Andy said the Huddle is Bl.....y good. SD card slot, USB port as well as an HDMI port with full HD.

So not only can you store lots of stuff on the SD Card but you can also plug a USB stick in with videos or whatever loaded, and if you wish you can play them back through a TV (with HDMI)

The screen is good as well even though those who claim to know will say it lacks this that or the other. Believe me I have tablets with IPS screens as well as a Samsung with it's own grown alternative to IPS and I honestly can't notice any real lack of quality in the HUDL screen. Plus the resolution is comparative to the the best tablets on sale including iPad. The best judge of picture quality are your own eyes.

The only weak point of the Hudl is the battery discharge time. The HUDL uses a power hungry Intel Atom which performs very well but does give the battery a bit of a kicking. For my money the only thing you need to consider with the HUDL is does the battery last long enough between charges for your own use. I reckon it would need a daily charge where as many other tablets will easily go 3 -4 days between charges.

But then a second hand tablet may also need a daily charge as well being on it's last legs.
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Besides the Hudl (can see a comparison test ) Here is the brand new Amazon "Fire" Tablet priced @ $50! Due out on the 22nd October in the UK

And how does this also compare against the other Amazon budget models?
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Old 08-10-15, 16:52
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To be honest I have no idea but I wouldn't mind betting that anything Amazon will try to nail you feet down to wot they want you to use it suits your usage.

Don't get me wrong I'm not pushing the HUDL as the processor/battery thing is something you really need to stink about and decide if it's for you. For instance for me it would be fine as I just want a very occasional bit of surfing and email about 4 hours of video (in flight) and the ability to connect the HDMI to a TV and run from the charger. and I have my netbook for longer periods of internet usage etc.


I'd be wary of Amazon's own stuff, they are not supplying cheap kit just because they can, they will want a 'lock and key' product similar to iPad (you buy the lock but they keep the key)

I don't really know the latter for sure but I would certainly research that area as I doubt Amazon will provide you with pure open Android system as with the HUDL where you can down load and upload to SD Card or USB without restiction.

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I've just had a look at the Amazon link you posted and to be honest I wouldn't give it house room from that write up you have linked to.

It probably needs more research to be absolutely sure but the write you have linked to says to me don't touch it with a bargepole.
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Had another look at one or two other reports and I suppose it's OK for surfing and emails and if you are not bothered that you have to use Amazon apps which wont have. Google security checks. It seems there are ways of installing Google apps but involves downloading and installing a few APK files. I have no idea if these are official developer files (I doubt it) but you have to start messing with the system and you can bet installing these files will invalidate any gaurantee even if they are official Google developer APKs.

The Amazon Fire doesn't even come close to meeting my own requirements from a tablet. I can't find anything about the USB port being anything other than a charging port.

That doesn't mean that it doesn't have USB connectivity but may only allow uploading but like some other tablets prevent downloading via the USB.

But if you just want to surf and access email and are not going to be concerned that the apps you install and their developers may not have been security checked and therefore could contain anything then save yourself 50 quid and get the Amazon. But I would think that in a short period of time you could get frustrated by the ball and chain it comes with.
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Amazon don't give not nowt away - the thing I liked about the huddle is it has all the tesco apps (as you'd expect!) but that's what they are - apps ... it's not a customised ROM ... they can all be uninstalled.

Unlike the kindle, it even uses it's own file format for books - so the fire will be nailed down like jak says.
I've just read that the latest thing is apple and amazon are blocking other provider's telly feeds too.

If I was buying again - I'd still go for the Nexus ... it's grown from 7 to 8" now ... my 1st gen 7" 2011 nexus still works as new ... the battery still lasts (v5 has a battery saver option - so it's actually better than it was new!).

But it's not 99 either ...

I have a lilon power brick (size of a packet of 10) recharges phone and tablet when full.
I can do 2 full days on the road.
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